Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. No sign of that either. Kinda odd. How do THESE people know? Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). didnt attempt it herself. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. You know theres plenty of that right? In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. Chris was ocd also. Theres plenty of liqueurs that are very well hidden in frozen shakes etc. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. He was an operator for Anadarko. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? dirty murderer! i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? I agree with you Jessica I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? He dug the grave with a shovel. Shannann even said that he was like another person. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. Infuriating! Bella was face up in the oil tank. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. 1. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Mark, that is really interesting! If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Chris Watts is a narcissistic cold blooded killer of children and their mother. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. I am shocked shes not been charged too. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. I am not sure that he planned the murders. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. What about rigormortis? Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. Addition. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Plenty of women do. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. So what are you saying? 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. I found nothing unusual with that part. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. Very CW. Just asking a question. Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". Celestes stomach was empty. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . But from Molletts work, it seems the alcohol levels in Shananns body were normal. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Chriss demeanor was nonchalant. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. That sounds very very snarky. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Her Dad stated that Shanann would often sleep on the sofa when he stayed at the house, and again when she was in NC after Chris arrived. The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. I am in Australia and I came across this story by accident and I am just horrified. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Thats why no defense wounds. I go back & forth wondering if he planned on killing the kids, or if Bella saw & then he had too. On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. Unless you count her phone. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. Or putting her down. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. 1. Blood Alcohol. Not a single drop of blood on the bed sheets, and she winged him apparently with her nails on his neck. I am not saying he touched the purse. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. There are no words . And so on. Its horrible. B . No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. Never mind! What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. Meredith Kercher is a famous example. This whole thing is terrible. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. Maybe body positioning and gravity? Im just saying if her friend had never come over. They manipulate, connive and plot. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. How would you have reacted in her situation? What are the odds???? Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! It takes 2-4 min for a person to die from smothering or strangulation. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! Required fields are marked *. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. The Watts murders got to me also. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. Page 582, 6. Rude person. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. They are finger prints from his hands. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri Its definately not most. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. Chris is dead inside. Stranglehold Theory. Makes me so sick. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. I love that guy. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. This guy had some sort of mental problem. What about rigormortis?. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. Because when he called her, he said, mom, they are searching the house. Why would he say that to her if she did not have prior knowledge? I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. 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