A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. He knows! Marin, Yes, it is. What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And I was still on the board. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. And I thought, Oh, my gosh! I stepped into a conference room. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. But this is a story that just is not going away. So thats, thats February 5, 2019. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. Jesus help us. And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. So you werent part of the lawsuit. This wasnt anything else. Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. June 17, 2021 James MacDonald, the former megachurch pastor who's been embroiled in scandal and controversy for several years, is lashing out against independent journalist Julie Roys. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. It does. At least some did. And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? But it was dark. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. And I got it. Thank you Jesus, Amen. This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. I certainly am no Bible scholar. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. . I was at work. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. And so I felt relief. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. Is that an accurate representation? . harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. But that is my hope. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. Theres no joy in doing this. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonalds termination. And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. Tragically . Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. Hes like the whole the whole thing was about resigning. This is going amongst the elders now. Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. If you hear that from the pulpit, or you hear that up front, I think, if Im sitting, if Im sitting in the seat, I think well, how fast can I get to my car and confess everything that just the Holy Spirit just brought to mind? But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. So that we could live in freedom. We can put it up on the Harvest site, and Ill read it to the congregation on Saturday night. No one takes joy in doing this. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. That was positioned as an attack from the start. I dont know whether its the way way down or the way back Id have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. That way youll never miss an episode. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. Hes a deceiver. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. You could tell where it was headed probably. None of my sources said it was wrong. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. I remember waking up that morning. Thats a Tuesday night. Any update on the James MacDonald vs Harvest debacle? And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. But according. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. . No, it wasnt edited. Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. You can unconditionally love someone. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because Im getting bits and pieces from different sources about whats going on and whats happening. He didnt remember like, boy, I dont want people to give up on my blog the man not. 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