The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. 45 acp, with a father like the one we had, To actually answer the question of velocity by barrel length for 9mm Luger, and what the ideal barrel length is, namely for something like an AR-15 / AR-9 pistol or SBR, we'll discuss below. A lighter round traveling faster than a heavy round, if the difference is substantial enough, will carry similar energy. So, why should we expect that the USA is any different ? I have many .45s and 9mms. You think someone is going to outrun your bullet? No matter how much you love than one 9mm you saved up for. BS! 45cals are GREAT and so are 9mm, but If you Hit a ATTACKER IN the NECK or CHEST with a 9mm he is not going to say, "It's only a 9mm let me finish attacking this person". Many say that it is all about round placement, true, but I have seen .45 rounds place in none critical areas and still knock the person off theor feet. My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. So follow up shots are almost more important that the 1st shot all of these variables added up, the 9mm almost will always win the advantage One advantage that was mentioned I disagree with. The .45acp makes bigger holes, all else being equal. 9mm loads frequently deliver a muzzle energy greater than 300 ft lbs. The 2 main reasons for the switch was 1. cost 2. ammunition since all our NATO allies use the 9. Perhaps the slowing velocity is a factor here, but that seems unlikely to me. Most data shows .45 ACP has a higher percentage of one shot stops as well as (IF multiple shots are required to stop a threat) the .45 ACP takes less shots. Not saying I could do any better but figured it would be closer to 50%. I do take into consideration penetration behind what I am aiming at with the 9mm because of over penetration, but you must ALWAYS be aware of what is behind the perp. I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. That is kind of odd to me!! Some are strict, some are not. But can you deal with what you've done afterwards mentally? And every gun owner has their preference. .45 vs 9mm? Kinetic energy. I went along with more powerful is more effectiv and broke hammer struts on two N frames aka back to S&W factory. First; opinions are like, well you know, the hole on your back side. In most cases, the larger the bullet you have, the slower the velocity. Neither round is worth anything if you can't connect with your target confidently and accurately. Facebook The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. Fortunately plenty exists. This is meant to give a clear and uncluttered picture to the consumer or end user in regard to what is currently available off the shelf. The main argument is basically that once a threat a stopped, it can't really become more stopped. Of course, 10mm which has less mass than .45 ACP still has more energy than the other calibers because its a relatively fast bullet and it's heavy, but it's not as fast as .357 SIG but it penetrates significantly more. We already have an account registered for email address I would prefer to ha ve more rounds just in case. Some has been published here and I am working on other barrel length projects. you a link to reset your password. I compete with them all. Ill be anxiously waiting to hear your findings. Today, modern incarnations of his cartridge significantly exceed that limit. So I agree with having both. Thanks for the one sided argument. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. And if a Riot Festival ;looms, I'll be riding in the back seat doing Green Beret carry of either my AK or AR, too. Itll help keep you consistent and on-target. I've shot that in Battlefield where all the ballistics are fully verified by experts because it's a computer game. The switched to the 45 because they needed something that transferred more energy to the target to knock them down. But the greater concern is, that Judges in my country do not like defensive shooting. Not true at all. For a carry I use a compact 45. My original TL is credited with 30-40 at Son Tay. I have them all. If a 9mm fails, it won't perform anywhere close to an unexpanded .45 and will punch a tony hole. ) or https:// means youve safely connected to the .gov website. Very interesting test. I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. It is a dangerous world, much more than most believe. Veteran SWAT freeze. Then you said because of bullet technology, the .45acp has also improved. Measurements are the opposite of vague . (btw; I cast, coat and load 40, 41 & 45 Colt). its a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if youre set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. Official websites use .gov Doesnt get any simpler than that. Easier to conceal and handle. If you look up the Buckeye Firearms Association article comparing calibers, 9mm fails to incapacitate 13% of the time while .45 ACP fails to incapacitate 14%. A lie of omission or a good-natured lie is still misinforming people. Large naval guns will have high length-to-diameter ratios, ranging between 38:1 to 50:1. This depends what you mean by "outperforms the 9mm". Get that one and the ammo that fits in it. Also I am comparing velocities from a handgun & rifle with the same round & results are eye opening. Glocks are the best semi auto, there's no debate about it. Even if your bullet is only traveling an inch, it will lose velocity, as air drag is steadily wearing down momentum. for Grizzly. Regardless of its bullet weight, the 9mm provides just the kind of flat trajectory that is most conducive to accurate shooting. The .45 has proven itself, period. Thus, it is deadlier. .45. ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. Luger designed his original 9mm to be lethal at 50 meters. I say different tools for different tasks. Ballistic coefficient is a measurement of a projectiles ability to resist air drag. 1100 fps . With the 7 round magazine it fits in my jeans front pocket. Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. With a wider selection of officers being able to shoot handguns chambered in 919mm, many departments choose this caliber so they can standardize around a single firearm and loading, making logistics and supply easier. I have pistols chambered in .22lr, 9mm Luger, .40 S7W, 357 SIG, and .45 ACP. Otherwise, In a gunfight, every round which is fired, by either side, is potentially lethal. My sub compact is 9mm. 9mm rarely reaches major (165PF) unless specially loaded and unsafe if you ask me. Force is mass times acceleration squared. The difference between the two cartridges in size is dramatic. Don't know about explode, but a good hollow point will EXPAND. Since most self defense situations are at close range and I mean really close range there is no need for lots of bullets. If either 5.56 x 45 or 7.62 x 51 are using hollow points or soft points the damage will be greater. I shoot the 1911 platform better than any semi auto or revolver Ive ever shot. Any cal will work depending on shot placement. This should bring a target down. The 150-grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,820, while the 180-grain has a muzzle velocity of 2,620 feet per second. I shot IPSC and IDPA 30 years ago. One or two will stand out. As most modern shooting systems use a two hannd grip, the grip circumference is negligible. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. The 45 has been used by the military FAR longer than 9mm and the 9's are used because they are cheaper, more available and have easier recoils. Hi Holmes, you're right. Just saying, look it up. This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. Mass times velocity is momentum. For home defence, I have .38 special, 9mm and a 12 GA shotgun squirreled away. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. Well, accuracy can be paramount. -- Ask countless military and police and they will tell you 9mm is not always enough. Faster bullets are also better for terminal performance. I have used both and much prefer the 9mm to a .45 ACP. I use Hornady critical defense in both caliber. A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. Been a G19 fanboy a long time, just got my first 1911 and It feels way better in my hand. Im also not worried about cost when it comes to my defense, no compromise there either. For CCW I'll carry it in winter, then my G43 in summer and an LCP2 .380 BUG in my pocket. -- For 9mm, some who prefer high capacity and easier recoil, I understand. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. He survived wounds to the chest, back, both arms and both legs. Thank you. My grandfather gave it to me back in the early 1990s before he died. guns & Bullet tech has come a long way for the .45 also.. ya ever seen the hole a .230 grain HST makes?..960 dia. You can hit him multiple times and he can keep coming at you. I like semi-autos, I like wheel guns too. The object then becomes to stop your adversary from firing bullets at you. The people are different, the lifestyle is different, the people think different. LockA locked padlock And, we all know that the more damage done, to the body, the faster the blood loss. It fires slow and heavy bullets at a lower muzzle velocity than the 9mm and can be suppressed to near-whisper levels. Just saying. Now I carry a 3.2 inch barreled 9mm. In addition to this, the lower recoil, less wear, cheaper ammunition and higher capacity were all reasons that the report cited for the recent surge in orders of the ammunition from various police agencies. On the other OTH, if you're proficient with either the 9mm or 45 AUTO, then, go with it. is go to a range and try both. Great review. They need to check the real world outcomes. Some people carry a 124gr for summer and 147gr in cold climates where the BG might be wearing a Carhartt over sweaters, etc. Not worth a flip as a carry gun unless one is more Shaq sized than me but for home defense, it works very well. He didn't even have a BRUISE where the 45cal bullet hit him!! Maybe we can have that as a debate topic? Add in the big, fat, slow, it would seem the only advantage of a 45 is if the target is in the room with you. IMHO (other than good social time discussions about guns and fishing tackle) forget the caliber wars. Josh thank you for this. I should know because I get all the girls. 20 ~ 30% accuracy, you have got to be kidding? This can be accomplished two ways. I have found in my many years and many hundreds of thousands of rounds spent that longer barrels arent always more accurate or faster given a set of loads or controls. A lot of posts and comments online like this are theory, maybe based on some truth or facts, but a lot of people theorize on this and that. My practice is Steel Challenge for about 14 years + USPSA and Zombie. Quantserve sets the mc cookie to anonymously track user behaviour on the website. Outstanding. I carry both 9mm and .45 ACP (not at the same time.) Every time. I read a lot before I chose 9mm over .45 and was swayed a lot by the later technology of 9mm catching up with the power of .45. I don't own a .45 (except a Pietta .45 Long Colt cowboy gun I target shoot in the mountains- I love it), but my son does have a couple of 1911's which he loves and says they are fairly easy to conceal carry. Unfortunately I sense America is way beyond that point. I like the reasoning that .45 might be less likely to over-penetrate walls at home, but does it really make that much difference between a 9mm and .45 at home? 45 bullets weigh a ton In a ammo can! The more energy, the more potential for damage. The punishing recoil of 10mm loads also causes more wear and tear on the handgun itself, requiring parts to be replaced more frequently than with a 9mm handgun. I only currently own 9 mm handguns. I know it would have been a lot more work but I was slightly disappointed that you did not include the Glock17 with the 4.6 inch barrel. Did the "suspects" who had 9mm rounds bounce off of them happen to be wearing red underwear and a big "S" on their chest. For example, American Eagle makes 9mm full-metal jacket rounds with 115-grain bullets and 147-grain bullets. It will give some confidence in its use. I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent It has a capacity of 15+1 and it's a 45 ACP. I myself started out carrying a 22.lr handgun because it was what I shot since I was a kid. I had been on the fence regarding 9mm and .45ACP for a long time, then I purchased a couple of different 9mm semi-autos for carry over a few years, with .380 for backup. Many independent studies have been done about actual combat shooting accuracy. I really admire the professional comments that was written. A couple of days ago I went out to my hunting property to shoot something more than paper targets and compare the rounds. You effin ROCK! None of the bullets are slow, that's for sure. Both 9mm and .45 ACP workjust personal preference, imo. I really hope you were joking with your statement. I'd prefer to hit with a slow moving baseball than a faster golf ball . Now this is just me you pointed out several factors for both weapons and I agree it's to ones mind set on which weapon feels right in your hand. If Im going with a traditional hollow point, give me .45 ACP Federal HST +P at 950 FPS. Muzzle velocity is something youll see on boxes of ammunition and on ballistics stat sheets, but you may not know exactly how muzzle velocity impacts performance. FMJs go through wood, plaster, sheet rock, and most anything else in your walls like its nothing, so there's no way to know what it may hit on the other side. This cookie can only be read from the domain they are set on and will not track any data while browsing through other sites. Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. have the .45 pistol/carbine combo, luv 'em. An official website of the United States government, Department of Justice. Or shooting people in the back while they are running away. At home, 12ga and .45 ACP. What an awesome read. Watch ballistics videos. They're both about the same energy in most common defensive rounds between the two calibers. which should I use a 9 mm or a .45? 9mm on average has more energy l. It also has more penetration. .380 ACP, 9mm, and .40 S&W are all within the margin of error, but .357 SIG, .45 ACP, and .44 Magnum are not, and they are all heavier and/or faster on average. Thats the amount of energy even cautious self-defense experts consider adequate for self-defense. The .45 stopped them in their tracks. At such a distance a 45 round would be a lot more effective than a 9. Same debates have raged on Betamax vs VHS, mustang vs camaro, HD-DVD vs Bluray, etc etc. Because of this drop in speed, a bullet, even if placed on target, may not have the energy and momentum to perform effectively. Those who prefer lightweight 9mm projectiles enjoy lower recoil; If you select heavier bullets benefit from deeper penetration of the target. Bottom line, the FBI testing protocol and testing results are really more examples of government inefficiency, and should not be held in such high regard in my opinion. Now I am a range officer and shoot concealed carry and IDPA style matches regularly. Last time I saw the statistics on it, most domestic self defense gun fights occur in 6 or less feet. Any weapon or round in the right hands can be lethal just find whats the most comfortable and accurate with your shots. The 45: Has more JHP expansion, More knock down power(even with a FMJ). My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. What does "slow" mean? What is the best Hollow Points for a Glock 19? Shot placement will be your main concern with any bear. The U.S. Navy was the last branch of service to go to the 9mm. DoubleTap.com uses Speer Gold Dots and has some hot loads. Golden saber .65 Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. I had a Beretta 9mm issued to me when I was 11H in the Army National Guard and it was ok, but I prefer my Gold Cup over that pistol. In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. Obviously we are talking relative speeds between bullets, not relative speeds between a car and a bullet. Id learned that doing 33 separate factory loadings in four pistols in the same conditions was a tall order to fill. In this situation, youll be glad that you have the faster follow-up speed and a larger magazine capacity of 9mm. 45 ACP is better than nothing for sure , but 9mm is a superior cartridge. I still posses a .45 among my various handguns, and I still enjoy shooting with it. I guarantee it's not something you'll want to do again any time soon. If, as this data suggests, the external ballistics are practically negligible, then I can feel confident that Id be better served by getting the model with the best retention holster optionsRead more . FWIW, I find the 45 recoil is "smoother", whereas 9 & 40 seem to be "sharper", making the muzzle flip harder to recover from. What is best for competition use? Still, nothing like the feel of a nice heavy, ..45. customized to your liking as your arsenal 'anchor'. I LIKE them all. Very informative article! .45 is for nostalgia crazed red necks that can't let go of the past. My preference is 9mm because I know how I'll respond. No way in hell can the 9mm possibly ever match the .45, or even the .40 S&W, at stopping people. Pick any popular defense ammo made in both 9mm and 45ACP and the 45ACP causes more damage. But what can you expect when it comes to 9mm ballistics velocity, energy, etc.? Loss of speed is tied to a concept of ballistic coefficient,. I guess a lot has to do with comfort of us & quality of placement. the 45 wins hands down over the 9mm. Bullet drop tends to range from 10 to 12 at 100 yards. Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. Nobody needs a gun. You are legally responsible for every round that leaves your weapon! I know that if my threat has consumed a narcotic I may have to fire my 9mm several times to stop the threat but if I hit my target with my .45acp the threat will be on the ground before it realizes that it has been hit. However, I have to admit youre way ahead of us with the second amendment! I prefer the .40 S&W. The campground lot got sold. A different pocket holster might cure this, but so would a larger gun, with the benefit of longer barrel. That's up in 10mm territory! Watch some videos on 9mm vs 45ACP in ballistic gel. For the elderly, the recoil of the standard 1911 45 is lesser because of its weight. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. Plus they have extended mags of many sizes Or back the other way, you can run 9mm NATO, +P adn all of that song and dance. Hind that is capacity, availability, recoil, etc. Proponents of the spray say that the spray is more effective, because you don't have to worry about getting out your gun and having the presence of mind to get on target in a few seconds. Why? * Lighter gun Maybe NOT, POF 5PK MP5 The Budget Reverse-Stretch Semi Auto from Pakistan, Ammo InStock: PMC Bronze 223 Rem 55 Grain FMJ Ammo 1000 Rounds $397.00 FREE S&H, Survival Deal: Thyrosafe Potassium Radioactive Iodide Tablets $21.95 FREE S&H, Gun Deals: Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol 12 Gauge Shotgun $949.00 FREE S&H, Brownells Coupon Codes www.brownells.com Updated Monthly. [7] [8] [9] So much quicker to re-aim, quicker to re-fire and hence more accurate. According to Newtons famous law of equal and opposite reactions, if the bullet is leaving the projectile at a higher speed (which means higher energy), the kick of your rifle against your shoulder or a pistol against your hand will be harder. They are extremely different. Firing 12 rounds my 9 mm wouldn't penetrate it or do catastrophic damage to it. One important fact is the combat readiness, safety and ease of use of the 1911. As the most popular handgun cartridge, 9mm ammo is available with every conceivable type of projectile including frangible, shot, rubber, and blank. That is just simply a foolish claim to make. Unless you through simple logic out the window, the 45 does more damage. The 919mm Parabellum (also known as 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger or simply 9mm) is a rimless, tapered firearms cartridge . We won the Battle of Britain independently of the US but how long the commonwealth would have held out could be debatable. But, like you said, all of this arguing is moot if you cant hit your target! Don't be so quick to kill your brother just because his opinion is different than yours . In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. An in-depth look at 9mm ballistics. BUT, I have read that bear attacks are usually a big surprise to both the hiker and the bear, who have both been startled by each other's company. Provided by Google Tag Manager to experiment advertisement efficiency of websites using their services. Grip circumference on the 9mm and ,45 pistols is not that different. About "Youre welcome Europe" well, it could be useffull to open History books : France made the biggest part of the job, with England, during WW1. Spray and pray LOL. Switching to the 9mm makes them look less sexist. You never know what you can walk into or what might bust in your door. He wrote: The FBI and many police departments are going back to the 9mm for one reason and one reason only its easier to qualify with a 9mm. The __qca cookie is associated with Quantcast. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. I take my Colt Gold Cup in .45ACP any day over a typical 9mm pistol. In .45 acp, with 230 grain target rounds we started shooting the same targets we shot with the 9mm and 38 spl, well guess what Later on in life I started to practice shooting again and worked with many different calibers. Then rinse and repeat as needed. Done talking with someone who refuses to educate themselves. Hi Matthew. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. Go out and shoot some pumpkins, you will see the massive difference between 45 and 9mm. I dont have much experience with 45s but my nieces husband (recently retired LEO) said his crew tested both 45 &9s extensively snd came to the conclusion that the 45 was quicker and more accurate on follow up shots due to the push back in the hand rather than the muzzle jump of the 9mm. The 150-grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,820, while the 180-grain has a muzzle velocity of 2,620 feet per second. 9mm is just as quiet if you opt for subsonic which takes away the muzzle velocity and negates the price difference. My 45 acp has a muzzle velosity of 1000 fps 510 foot lbs. The .45 is bigger, but not that much bigger. For reasons I can't quite explain, this particular powder just didn't get along with that rifle. Where's the test evidence? The Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok JHP had a total velocity average difference of only 54fps across barrel lengths and a total loss of 5.5%. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I realize these instances are rare but one things for sure i can cut a target in half with rapid shots so easily with a 1022 because of zero recoil i think i could shoot 4 rounds to 1 outta my 45. Maybe 45 has a bigger physical wound channel (Ill leave hydrostatic shock out of it, though the high speed footage of it in ballistics gel is compelling) and 9mm can go through a few extra boards so it evens out. The history they told me was that the military originally was using a 38 something or other, but some weird fanatical types just kept coming at them in one of our many obscure little wars. But, had I not experienced it, I never would have believed it would happen to me. 15 years ago, a 210 or 215 was something to be embarrassed about. My experience has led me to the same conclusion. ), .40 S&W (447 ft. That's a reasonable assumption, but it's not the only possibility. In my under experienced mind, you don't take 4 .45 rounds to the upper body and suffer life threatening injuries.you just plain and simply die. Watch key board warriors loose their mind. They are way more similar than they are different, and its up to everyone to make the choice whats right for them. My military friends please chime in. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. lbs. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. I keep ARX 118 grain ammo in my Glock 30 (10+1) which is 45ACP. I know most of the ammo I use will be full metal jacket so I picked 7.62 x 51 and 7.62 x 39 as my rifle calibers. You are so lucky Benjamin. Your life depends on it. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I hear you. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". . Their is also a cost difference thou if you look around you can get ammo cheaper. However, I am getting an M&P9 2.0 for my daily carry. . For my 9mm velocity test I would use only Glock pistols. If anything, it's the opposite. Hornady 100 Gr. Yonder The general formula for the kinetic energy is = where v is the velocity of the bullet m is the mass of the bullet.. Lots of experts claiming facts on stopping power, energy, penetration, etc. (Here are more tips on how to shoot more accurately.). Not sure which one is best for you? Also the title of the article seems to contradict his conclusion that the extremes are seperated by a mere 10%. Point and shoot, only need to hit my target oncethen they're down. 9mm is not close. Its a good compromise between the 9 and the 45. When I went to Ballistics101.com a few years ago, I got all the data from the rounds they're tracking and averaged them out per caliber in terms of energy. Thanks in advance, The 9mm features some interesting advantages. People tend to practice more with a weapon they are comfortable with. If you still wanted to maintain an ultra-short setup with a suppressor, you could go even shorter with barrel length, as the additional length of the suppressor will increase velocity. Not to mention the permanent fragmentation wounds are nasty in themselves. Good show all. Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. I've never been in a gunfight, but I have been terrified out of my mind once, many years ago, when someone did come after me with a gun, and I couldn't get my knees to stop shaking. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. the increased effectiveness of the .45 ACP roound is negligible with today's modern expanding bullets. 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